@Junkyard_Jim Said 
Look, I respect your opinion. I cannot share it, though. Libertarians are by now stretch of the imagination socialists. Gay marriage and abortion are modern day events that did not impact the early nation in the way they do today. Gay marriage does not bother me, but I am not an abortion proponent. My choice, my opinion based on many things, but both are situational to lifestyle choices that the involved person fuels by personal choice. So putting them into the rights arena is something no one considered in 1776. Consequently, they get there by legal maneuver and court ruling. Must we abide if the ruling is in favor, absolutely.
Freedom of choice is not something that appears in the Constitution. Again, you have to achieve that by showing legal reasoning and get the court to agree. That is where we are whether the proponents like it or not. There is something in the original Founders writings that mentions something about the "majority" which seems to be something liberal thinkers dismiss as some kind of anomaly that some screwy Founder inserted.
Fair enough, however, the "majority" is something that neither the right or the left wings ever respect if it's not in direct agreement with them.
And, so you know, the Libertarians were founded in 1971. They actually have some ideals that I can fully support. And truthfully that was about when Roe V. Wade was heating up so, in all truthfulness all these are relatively "new" situations. Gay marriage the newest of them all.
Choice though, was the whole point of much of the Constitution. Freedom of religion means that I get to CHOOSE how I believe in the deity of my CHOOSING. Alright, maybe you have me on it's the Bill of Rights that gives us those things as opposed to the Constitution, but, to me, they are all the same document.
Actually, thanks to this debate, I'm learning and relearning quite a bit about the Constitution that was forgotten and so forth, so this is really quite awesome!
Side question, are you not a proponent to abortion, or are you not pro-choice. There is a huge difference. Do you know how many people out there are pro-choice, but their choice could never be to actively seek out and obtain an abortion themselves (me included in that), or do actively help those in bad situations seek a better choice. I'm by far not a proponent of abortion, however, a woman should be able to choose what to do with her body, the government has zero place there.
Sep 03, 2010 @ 14:17:38
What Glenn Beck are you watching. So yeah, he doesn't out right say Obama is Hitler (like many people have done) However, he fully grasps at any similarities between the two on a regular basis. 
